About Me

Andrew Schwab is a notable author, journalist and lead vocalist for the rock band Project 86. He has written for magazine publications including: Relevant, AP, CCM and HM. He is a published author with 4 available books, including his latest FAME IS INFAMY, available now on the store button above!

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  • http://choklitblog.blogspot.com Violet

    So what would you say about an artist who isn't a Christian, but their music seems to reflect a Christian worldview? For example, they write clean music with no negative content, but the artist isn't actually a Christian. Would you still consider that “Christian music” or not?

  • http://choklitblog.blogspot.com Violet

    A couple more songs… enjoy.

    FORGIVENESS

    I’ll wear my scars like stories
    Of everything I’ve done
    I’ll wear my scars like medals
    For everything I’ve become
    I’ll wear these scars ashamed
    Of everything I was
    I’ll wear these scars amazed
    By everything You’ve done

    Unexperienced
    Burned and cut apart
    Ignorant
    Fell for every pretty piece of art
    Oblivious
    Thought this was the best
    Deceptive
    Turned this world into a mess

    Careless
    Said nothing could hurt
    Denying
    Blocked out every word
    Rebellious
    Threw away all thought
    Numb
    Felt no change of heart

    I’ll wear my scars like stories
    Of everything I’ve done
    I’ll wear these scars like medals
    For everything I’ve become
    I’ll wear my scars ashamed
    Of everything I was
    I’ll wear these scars amazed
    By everything you’ve done

    Broken
    Lost the other side
    Weakened
    Nothing left to fight
    Fearful
    Cannot trust in self
    Hopeful
    Crying for Your help

    Regretting
    Could have stayed away
    Despising
    Wishing back that day
    Suffocating
    Inhaled the poison dart
    Relentless
    Won’t be torn apart

    I’ll wear my scars like stories
    Of everything I’ve done
    I’ll wear my scars like medals
    For everything I’ve become
    I’ll wear these scars ashamed
    Of everything I was
    I’ll wear these scars amazed
    By everything You’ve done

    Grateful
    Couldn’t take the lies
    Perceiving
    Fixing broken eyes
    Healing
    Taking back this heart
    Guilty
    Trying to hide the scars

    Precious
    Worth more than mistakes
    Beautiful
    Even when this breaks
    Filthy
    Cursed by evil deeds
    Forgiven
    Finally I’m free

    BURNING TO MY DEATH

    Fire of Your love
    Death of surrender

    Whipping at my hair, ripping at my clothes
    If just a spark could grab hold
    My best defenses–denial and fear
    I scream that This isn’t real
    Ignore the Flame, hide the pain
    What do I have to gain?
    Temperatures rise, I close my blind eyes
    You’re crossing this line

    Fire of Your love
    Death of surrender

    Lips cracked, I breathe the smoke
    Now I choke (It’s all or nothing)
    Dive headfirst or die of thirst
    And be forever cursed
    I’m going in, sacrificing my skin
    Flames crawling up to my chin
    Temperatures rise, You open my eyes
    I’m crossing this line

    Fire of Your love
    Death of surrender

    Sweet scented air, now I’m aware
    That my heart is bare
    Frozen and blue, why I never knew
    How much I need You
    It melts away, my body decayed
    Heart consumed by the Fire of You
    Temperatures rise, I look in Your eyes
    And erase invisible lines

    Fire of Your love
    Death of surrender

  • http://www.bethedomino.org Whitt Madden

    the purpose is to glorify God. That sums it up for me.

  • Kelly Sheads

    Music can't be “Christian” or “non-Christian” as much as a tree can be…it has no soul. It all depends on the person writing the lyric or singing the song and where it comes from. In my opinion, there's no such thing as “Christian music”…only Christian musicians.:)

  • http://pattononmusic.blogspot.com Bryan Patton

    My initial answer to this question was to say music that is written to bring glory to God is what qualifies has christian. If the intent is to bring God glory then it's christian music. But I'm rethinking this. Part of me would say that Christian music is music made by christians. I don't think content can define music as christian. Am I christian blogger or a blogger that's a christian? It's a stupid question because those things are the same. Why do bands define themselves as christians in a band? Because they want the music to stand for itself and not have their music judged based on their beliefs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/consistentchange Dan Roberts

    For me its pretty simple. If you promote Christianity, not just its principles via your music you are a Christian Band.

  • http://www.twitter.com/iambeardon Ian Tomlinson

    What is the purpose of music? Step back, forget why music is written, forget the lyrics, the genre, the instruments and the region from where it originates. I believe the purpose for all music is self-expression. The way we express our feelings, our thoughts, our love and even our own purposes. It is also one of many ways we can worship God.
    Just like any other thing, music can be good and it can be evil. If we look at the good music, the honest music, we’ll see that it can easily glorify God even if that was not the writer’s intention. If a song speaks of the beauty of nature, as long as it is not worshipping that nature, it glorifies God. If the song is about a man’s love for a woman (as long as it’s not, well, most rap, if you know what I mean), it glorifies God. If the song is about trials of pain and/or hurt, God hears it and is hurt too.
    Now, I really don’t know God well enough to speak for Him, but I believe that from what I’ve read in His Word that what I’ve said is OK.
    What I’m getting at here is that America’s definition of a Christian song is bogus. God’s definition is much different. We think of songs written for worship as Christian music, when really Christian music is about our lives, written with honesty. It’s really pretty similar to the Christian life. It’s not something only played or listened to on a Sunday. It’s integrated into our very being.
    A friend of mine has the theory that God sang creation into being. When he talks about, I find myself in agreement (despite the fact that Genesis doesn’t say He sung). We’re musical beings. We write music, and it glorifies God. We make love to our spouses, and it glorifies God. We work hard at our jobs, and it glorifies God. We raise families, and it glorifies God. We help those in need, and it glorifies God. We worship Him in everything we do.

    Go write a song.

  • http://twitter.com/iambeardon IanTomlinson

    What is the purpose of music? Step back, forget why music is written, forget the lyrics, the genre, the instruments and the region from where it originates. I believe the purpose for all music is self-expression. The way we express our feelings, our thoughts, our love and even our own purposes. It is also one of many ways we can worship God.
    Just like any other thing, music can be good and it can be evil. If we look at the good music, the honest music, we’ll see that it can easily glorify God even if that was not the writer’s intention. If a song speaks of the beauty of nature, as long as it is not worshipping that nature, it glorifies God. If the song is about a man’s love for a woman (as long as it’s not, well, most rap, if you know what I mean), it glorifies God. If the song is about trials of pain and/or hurt, God hears it and is hurt too.
    Now, I really don’t know God well enough to speak for Him, but I believe that from what I’ve read in His Word that what I’ve said is OK.
    What I’m getting at here is that America’s definition of a Christian song is bogus. God’s definition is much different. We think of songs written for worship as Christian music, when really Christian music is about our lives, written with honesty. It’s really pretty similar to the Christian life. It’s not something only played or listened to on a Sunday. It’s integrated into our very being.
    A friend of mine has the theory that God sang creation into being. When he talks about, I find myself in agreement (despite the fact that Genesis doesn’t say He sung). We’re musical beings. We write music, and it glorifies God. We make love to our spouses, and it glorifies God. We work hard at our jobs, and it glorifies God. We raise families, and it glorifies God. We help those in need, and it glorifies God. We worship Him in everything we do.

    Go write a song.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=500147518 Jason Arthur Peterson

    About Christian music:
    First, I don't think it should be a genre, that makes things too confusing for people and is not necessary, the distinction should just be whether or not the music glorifies God or is just good music (and hopefully both).
    About the negative connotation:
    I think it just comes from so many bands doing music that has cheesy lyrics, music that just isn't really good, copies what someone else has already done, or just does the same thing over and over again. The biggest problem there is that those things usually don't glorify God, so while labeling itself Christian it isn't actually so and puts a bad face out there for everyone to see.

  • Jared

    i think christian music has a negative connotation because as soon as people who arent as into religion as other people automatically think that the music is going to be preaching and shoving religion in their face which in fact isnt true.

  • http://twitter.com/whittmadden whittmadden

    Christian Music – I am one of those who had a negative view of Christian music. Mostly from what I've heard on the radio though. Spending four days at Ichthus Festival totally changed my perceptions. I come from a hardcore and progressive metal background. Hard to find Christian bands that fit those categories that actually sounded good,( IMHO). Getting to hear some of the underground bands, who are living out what it means to be the hands and feet of Jesus to others was an amazing experience.

    There are a lot of really good 'secular Christian' bands. What I mean by that are the radio-friendly Christian pop-rock bands that show a distorted view of what Christianity really is. The radio-friendly Christian bands paint a one sided view of our walk with God. Other than a small handful, no one wants to talk about their struggles, and we all have them.

    A lot of people don't want to be delivered from their struggles, they just want to know that God is walking through those struggles with them. What I hear on the radio paints a picture that there are no struggles in our Christian life. That we just go around praising God, and our lives are perfect. We need to be honest about our struggles, and know that we don't have to wear a mask and pretend everything is perfect all the time.
    As Christians we need to be real.

  • http://twitter.com/narfjones narfjones

    The problem is that describing music as “Christian” isn't enough.
    Example: “Hi. This is Andrew. He's a Chrisitan”

    Awesome. But is that enough? Of course not.

    “He's also an author, musician, steeler fan, and husband. He likes moonlit strolls in a field and longs walks on the beach.”

    We don't describe people as christian without qualifying the statement. By giving someone(assuming non-christian) the description of any artist as a “Christian Band” without any further information, you are pigeon holing that artist into that persons view of Christianity as a whole. From experience that is anything from contempt to boredom or even patronization.
    There is more to music than Christian or non-Christian. Just like there is more to people than From Kentucky or Not from Kentucky. Yes, it's a basic part of our personality, and I don't want to demean what my faith means to me, but the fact that I'm a Christian is only one part of what makes me, me. To expect someone to listen to, or enjoy music based on whether or not it is Christian is expecting them to be ignorant of what makes the music, music.

  • AsILayDyingFan

    There is a common misconception that you don't have to be as talented as secular artists to create Christian music. After all, Christian musicians have a pre-determined audience that will purchase anything with the Jesus associated with it. Those of us who are true fans of music know that if the product isn't good we won't buy it regardless of what it is called. In the same breath, people will say that Christian artists or music is really a fake music genre that is created by bands or record companies to make easy money. Knowing a number of bands that play Christian music and consider themselves Christian artists I know this is far from truth.

    The problem with Christian music isn't the name but the attitude of the people toward the music, even some of the artists. My favorite band nevers confesses Christ on stage, but they openly profess their faiths in other mediums. Do they do this because they don't want to be associated with Christ while performing to make more money, or is it they want to let who they are and what they are do the talking for them. Regardless of the thought process, I don't choose Christian music because of the name.

    I choose Christian music because I want to hear music without the f-bomb dropped 10 times per verse. I lived a party life before Christ and it sucked. Now I don't want to listen to music that props up that life as a model of how to live. Just listen to a Ke$ha song. It is sad to listen to her songs, because she is so lost and she just doesn't have a clue. I don't listen to music to be sad but entertained.

  • Wesley Summerville

    This might not be a popular answer. I don't think the General Population or “Secular” market has disdain for Christian music… for the right reasons(and oh, are there right reasons). Those of us in the “know” are too familiar with the debates over our music not being evangelical enough. We're well aware of the illegitimate copycat artists, comparison charts(to secular artists) at the Christian bookstore, watered down-confined subject matter and censorship. And more over – the overall lack of innovation and real artistry that takes a back seat to “spreading the faith”. But the truth is, the General Market isn't aware of these things because they don't even know we exist. That is to say, they don't know just how corny, unoriginal and irrelevant we are in our desperate quest to be just that – relevant. They've never even delved deep enough into our “scene” to see these things. These are all reasons Christians hate “Christian” music.

    The reason the Gen Market hates Christan music is due to the “christian” part of the equation. Jesus is a SERIOUS buzzkill. He is outdated, makes unfulfilled promises, He's corny and should be detested by any free-thinking person. Basically the guy's not cool. He is anti everything you want in your music and mandates something opposite of you having a good time. Who would ever want to listen to that? This is why trendy “emo kids” loved/related to Pedro the Lions “Winners Never Quit” and “Control” albums, then totally wrote Dave off after they found out he was a “Christian”. The Music didn't change nor did his message or instrumentation. This is the same reason why people will go Ape ish for joy at an Underoath show then when they mention “We do this for Jesus”, their mouths drop and they yell something obscene. People hate Jesus.

    Over the years Christianity has been a driving proponent in: Intolerace, Hypocrisy, Racism, Exploitation, Ignorance, Denial, Violence, Judgmentalism, and hatred. And the general public IS aware of that. But even if they weren't and we all DID live as harmless as doves Jesus would still be an outdated, corny buzzkill who should be detested by any free-thinking person. Because we all have a very real flesh that hates Him and hates submission to anything other than ourselves. And as many legitimate excuses as we have to hate Christian music the one the General Market will never get over is the Jesus part.

    Also, if you're reading this Andrew(I don't have a twitter account). The Movies I think of most when I hear the word “Justice” are “A time to kill” and “12 angry men”. Both are hella dope flicks.

  • Caleb

    As a Christian, I don't really listen to contemporary Christian music stations because too often the DJ's talk in this sappy, “Life is perfect because I'm a Christian”, kind of tone and they're always so chipper implying that as a non-Christian I should think that life will be perfect if I become a Christian too. The term Christian music is looked down upon by the mainstream music world because most (not all), but most Christian music is sappy (life is perfect) type stuff and is pretty condescending sometimes if you're a non-Christian. Even as a Christian myself, most times if I do tune to a Christian station I usually find myself saying, “Oh, come on! You're preaching to the choir!” Most Christian music stations cater to people who are already Christians and I don't see how any non-Christians would ever be touched by anything the dj's say.

    The Christian music I prefer is the kind that talks about real life issues and doesn't mince words. Plumb, Blindside, Project 86, P.O.D., Danielson, etc…those bands talk about real issues and the grey areas in between yet they still are able to get Christ's message accross without being preachy or condescending. There are others too, but they are my favorite (I know you're part of one of them, but that is why I'm reading this blog after all) and have been since the 90's when they were some of the first Christian bands who went into the mainstream and were real and truthful about life for both Christians and non-Christians and not just playing it safe for people who want to pretend that being a Christian is all smiles and rainbows all the time.

  • Caleb

    Also, (realising I didn't make it clear in the last post) I do like some Contemporary Christian bands and songs…Mercy Me is usually solid, Chris Tomlin, Jars of Clay, Tait, etc…I just get tired of the Christian stations that ONLY play the soft Christian music and don't acknowledge the heavier stuff (both in music and in topic). It's more the tone of the station that I don't like rather than the music. Like I said, they cater to people who are already Christians because they are the ones who participate in the donor drives and fun the station. Most of those types of people don't want to fund a station that also caters to the non-Christians who don't like that type of music, but would listen to music like P.O.D., P86, Living Sacrifice, etc. That's what bugs me about OVERLY Christian music…sometimes it's just not very deep. It glorifies God which IS the most important thing, but it doesn't speak to the non-Christians and sometimes people forget that speaking to and reaching non-Christians is also glorifying to God. Okay…I'm done.

  • Bj Hile

    Jesus is anything but outdated. Buzzkill, maybe, but everyone needs discipline in their lives. I am a free thinking person, but I can tell you that His truth is one thing that has not changed or vanished over time.

  • Wes Summerville

    Bj, as a believer, I am in full agreeance with you, homie. I should have perhaps put that part in quotations. They weren't my own thoughts on Jesus, presenty. But definitely were at one point in time. And I assure you are the thoughts of many, if not most unbelievers.

  • Cody

    There's a discussion on the classification of Christian music over at a web forum I frequent, so this is pretty fresh in my mind. We as residents of the “alternative” side of Christian culture generally think very differently about this then our brothers who don't listen to the majority of the bands we listen to. However, I don't think that rules out there opinion….because let's face it, they're not all wrong.

    Here's something a peer on the web forum I mentioned in the beginning posted that sums it up quite nicely: “If I'm a Christian, then I have the mind of Christ and His ways and means will work through me no matter what I do. I've found that being honest about what is going on inside and around me is the best way to “minister” to people and present art that is interesting enough for people to want to check out and be influenced/edified/challenged by.” Quite simply, Christian music should line up to this point because we as Christians should be in this mindset or always reflecting this spirit. I can say this is true in my experiences of leading worship at Church. Occasionally, I will not always feel up to leading or in a great place in my life to worship. But it is not I who lives, but Christ who lives in me so I know He is using me in my willingness to use my gifts to minister to people (coincidentally, this can lead bad days to become great worship moments for our church).

    Keeping this in mind, I think the more “creative” side of things will reflect here as well and I think that music will reflect as Christian when we see that those in the band resonate the thoughts and spirit of Christ, be it in word or deed. I say deed, because I think that singing about stuff isn't enough. I'm encouraged in this every time I see bands who line themselves up with charities, put on benefits or even serve somebody off stage. That doesn't necessarily connect to music, I know, but there's always a culture connected to music and I think that, ideally, this atmosphere of love and charity should be what connects to Christian music because we are called to be more concerned with that than anything else.

  • Cody

    *Corrected for a glaring grammar problem I just couldn't let slide. Thank you.*

    There's a discussion on the classification of Christian music over at a web forum I frequent, so this is pretty fresh in my mind. We as residents of the “alternative” side of Christian culture generally think very differently about this then our brothers who don't listen to the majority of the bands we listen to. However, I don't think that rules out their opinion….because let's face it, they're not all wrong.

    Here's something a peer on the web forum I mentioned in the beginning posted that sums it up quite nicely: “If I'm a Christian, then I have the mind of Christ and His ways and means will work through me no matter what I do. I've found that being honest about what is going on inside and around me is the best way to “minister” to people and present art that is interesting enough for people to want to check out and be influenced/edified/challenged by.” Quite simply, Christian music should line up to this point because we as Christians should be in this mindset or always reflecting this spirit. I can say this is true in my experiences of leading worship at Church. Occasionally, I will not always feel up to leading or in a great place in my life to worship. But it is not I who lives, but Christ who lives in me so I know He is using me in my willingness to use my gifts to minister to people (coincidentally, this can lead bad days to become great worship moments for our church).

    Keeping this in mind, I think the more “creative” side of things will reflect here as well and I think that music will reflect as Christian when we see that those in the band resonate the thoughts and spirit of Christ, be it in word or deed. I say deed, because I think that singing about stuff isn't enough. I'm encouraged in this every time I see bands who line themselves up with charities, put on benefits or even serve somebody off stage. That doesn't necessarily connect to music, I know, but there's always a culture connected to music and I think that, ideally, this atmosphere of love and charity should be what connects to Christian music because we are called to be more concerned with that than anything else.

  • Marshall Harbour

    “Speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:18). Obviously, singing and music are important. The Scripture commands Christians to speak to one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs. It’s pretty easy to determine what psalms are– the Holy Spirit reveals the 150 psalms through the Scripture. Hymns are also easy to identify and important according to the Scriptures. But what about spiritual songs? They are commanded, but what are they exactly? Spiritual songs must be any other songs that give glory to God and that help Christians to be “filled with the Spirit” (Eph. 5:18).

    Therefore, “Christian” music as we generally think about it is synonymous with spiritual songs. We know that Christian music definitely has a role in the life of a Christian, but what makes music Christian? It certainly isn’t the style of music that makes music Christian. The psalms speak of giving praise to God with shouting and loud voices. They talk about David playing his harp. Both styles of music gave glory to God. If it’s not the tempo or volume of the music that makes it Christian, what is it?

    If it’s not music’s style that makes music Christian, it must be an individual’s personal relationship with Jesus, right? If we can determine if the people that create the music we listen to are Christians, we can know that it is Christian music with certainty, right? Wrong. God’s plan for reconciling man is made clear in the Scriptures. If a person is reconciled to God that transformational relationship will reveal itself in one’s art. However, Christianity takes place in one’s mind and heart. The Bible warns against judging another’s motives or the intent of their heart. Therefore, to judge another’s music based upon their perceived relationship with Jesus is a futile task. No one but God truly knows our heart condition, which is the most important thing. (Col. 2:11-12) In addition to this point, a Christian has the ability to create music that is anti-God, and a non-Christian has the ability to create music that is pro-God.

    Therefore, if music is not “Christian” based upon style or their spiritual condition, music must be Christian based upon their lyrics right? Not quite. Lyrical content is going to play a part in determining whether music is Christian. However, the lyrical content is not the primary factor in determining whether music is Christian. An artist can write a song that appears to be something that it is not. Too many times people allow others to do their thinking for them. “Band such-and-such is signed with label this-and-that and they are played on my Christian radio station, so their music must be Christian” is a fallacy. To make a law saying that this song is “Christian” for everyone and another song is not “Christian” for everyone is spiritually lazy.

    If music is not “Christian” based upon its style, the artist’s spiritual condition, or even simply lyrical content, what makes music Christian? Well, let’s take a look at Scriptures. We know that the Mosaic Law has passed away. After Jesus died He instituted a new covenant, a new will, when He offered up His blood in Heaven. “For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it. For a covenant is valid only when men are dead, for it is never in force while the one who made it lives.” (Heb. 9:16-17) Christians no longer live under law but under grace. “For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!” (Rom. 6:14-15) Christians now live by grace. It’s not about what one can and can’t do. It’s not about what one can or can’t listen to. There are no more lines to cross, there are no more rules to break. There is only the law of liberty to live by. The law of liberty is freedom. It is the freedom to serve Christ fully and to live for Him completely. We no longer have to worry about whether or not something is “lawful” or “right”. It is now about whether this action or these words, or more appropriately, this song gives glory to God. Christians don’t have to worry that God will be disappointed with their choice of music if they are living under the law of liberty. There aren’t any laws to break!
    All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable All things are lawful, but not all things edify. (1 Cor. 10:23) This is the heart of the “what makes music Christian” question. Music is not Christian based upon what is put on to the CD or the ipod. An artist does not make Christian music, rather they can make music that is meant to glorify God and edify others. The onus of determining the “Christianity” of music rests upon the listener of said music, not the artist or performer. An artist or performer cannot be held completely responsible for the thoughts of his or her listeners nor can the listeners be responsible for the thoughts or intents of the artists’ heart. The main question is: “Is this music profitable for me to listen to? Does this music give glory to God? Does it lift up the name of Jesus in my mind?” Only you can answer these questions. And your answers could be different than my answers. The main thing is that we think and find our answer to the question: “Is this edifying?” If this music helps me to “set my mind on things above”, then this music is Christian, no matter what the style, lyrical content, or who created or sings the song.

  • http://twitter.com/iambeardon IanTomlinson

    All morning, I’ve listened to Seattle’s local Christian radio station. I know that so many people listen to the station and are encouraged in their walk with the Lord. However, I can’t help but get angry. The genre of music that’s heard on the radio here and most other places has become cliche. Nothing has change much in the past 15 years except for the production quality (which is now just grossly over-produced).

    If you want to write a Christian Song, here’s what you do:

    1) Make sure you have the following instruments: Piano (or keys), strings (don’t even have to be real anymore), pop electric drum (the real drums kick in after the first chorus), an acoustic guitar, a clean electric with delay for those little do-das during the verses, an overdriven guitar for the “epic” chorus, and finally you want to look around for that bassist (you know, the one that is on EVERY song…).

    2) Start the song light, with the piano or acoustic backed by a simple electric drum beat. Introduce strings and/or clean electric guitar with delay in the first chorus, have the drummer do a fill into the second verse. From here, you simply go full into the second chorus, possibly build into the bridge. Now, this is CRUCIAL, bring it down for the last chorus, but then surprise everyone by doing the chorus one more time with the full band.

    3) Keep vocals simple. Don’t get passionate.

    There are exceptions to these rules, sure. They’re more like…guidelines.

    On a serious note, I really do feel like God is not being glorified by the multi-billion dollar business of Christian music. One person I tend to be critical of is Chris Tomlin. Go to his website. Look for the words God or Jesus on the main page. I see his Creator mentioned once for his band’s world tour. Otherwise, it’s all about Chris. Looking at hymns, you’ll see much more worshipful words. Today’s lyrics are all about “I” and “Me” and “Us” and “We”. These words are in hymns, but as a whole, hymns are directed completely at the Lord. He’s the reason we write, isn’t it?

    The message of the local radio station here is to be positive and uplifting. All the time. No matter what. This is garbage. I feel like mainstream Christian music isn’t honest. Just look at the psalms. Life is not all happy happy joy joy. We have hope in Christ, but we suffer pains as well, just as He did. Some of the best music comes from those times.

    On another note, almost all Christian artists outside of the contemporary circle are looked up to. I had a non-Christian friend of mine ask me “Why are all the good screamo/metal/hardcore bands Christian?” I think it’s because they sing and write for a purpose, they extremely passionate about their music and it’s much more creative than other bands in those genres. Not to much in the world of the contemporary.

    We as Christians need to be a light, shining for all of man to see. We need to be the best at everything we do, because we do it for the glory of our Lord and Savior. We will be made fun of, we will be mocked. But when it comes to music, we need to set the example. Set the bar high. For mainstream Christian music, we aren’t. We need to.

  • http://choklitblog.blogspot.com Violet

    “If a person is reconciled to God that transformational relationship will reveal itself in one’s art.”
    “In addition to this point, a Christian has the ability to create music that is anti-God, and a non-Christian has the ability to create music that is pro-God.”
    These two points contradict each other. First you say that if someone is truly a Christian, their faith will automatically be reflected in their music. Then you say a Christian can make music that is anti-God? I agree with the first statement, but no Christian can make music that is against God or His word. They may claim Christianity, but “As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man” (Proverbs 27:19). You can tell what's in a person's heart based on their actions.

  • jayemosh

    Only thing I will say about the LOST finale is that I loved it, some people didn't, and they acknowledged that alot of questions wouldn't be answered because the show is more about the people than alot of the questions people came up with.

    Also, the creators gave a great reason for not giving all the answers. In life, no one hands you a big book of explanations for why you are here, where you came from, why certain things happened, etc. The creators also stated that it is also in this light that they view the show. It is unlikely, and somewhat cheesy for someone to just come right out and state all the answers. If that were the case, if every answer was given and everyone was happy, then we wouldn't have all this fun talking about it, and interpreting as we are today, and have been for six years.

    Lastly, I think alot of people either didn't pay attention to alot of answers that were given, or they didn't like what was given so they ignored it.

    They explained in pretty definitive detail what the island was. It was a place that housed the manifestations of both good and evil, and that the island was there to keep the evil (smokey) from enveloping the world.

    The island, I can almost assure you is not done yet. The creators have expressed the fact that they do not have 100% creative control and ownership over the LOST franchise, and that it belongs to DISNEY/ABC. With this being the case, the did the best they could to sure up what was important to them, the characters, while the creators had to sacrifice the idea and concept of the island.

    Therefore, I think it is safe to say that sometime in the future, due to the high amount of success of the series, we may, in fact, see LOST, or at least the island pop up in the future. Maybe we will then be able to get more answers we may have wanted with a show that is more centric and prescribed to the island's mythology.

  • http://www.broken.fm Josh

    LOST. Disappointing finale, to say the least. I can say that with the most certainty, and yet, I find myself enjoying how it ended. Not because of the way it ended, and how in the end we realized that every other question we had just “didn't matter”, but rather I'm happy that it is making me think. I have no idea what happened for 6 six seasons. This show continuously had me trying to figure out the plot, but to no avail. Isn't that the point of a good show, to keep you interested and hanging on the edge each and every week? This is not a show for the weak of mind, for one has to be able to conjure up their own ideas in order to remotely grasp the storyline. I love this show, and the way it ended only adds to its mysticism. You think the writers could have answered our questions? Yes. But what would be the point? There would be nothing to talk about after. No CRAZY, OUT OF THIS WORLD opinions to share with your friends. This is just how I feel, and I'm most likely the only one.

  • http://twitter.com/a_theist Paul Holcombe

    Christian music is any type of music that accepts Jesus Christ as its personal Lord and Savior.

  • http://twitter.com/steeb2er Steve Owen

    Andrew, your Twitter said you agreed with this post (http://blinderspoker.blogspot.com/2010/05/lost-…). I think that writer is completely wrong. For support, you only need to look to Christian's explanations to Jack at the very end of the episode. Christian says, “Everything that's ever happened to you is real” … meaning that the events on the island are real. The crash, the hatch, the Oceanic 6, the island moving, the time-travel, the smoke monster … all real.

    About the flash-sideways (plane landed) story, Christian continues: “This is a place that you all made together so you could find one another. The most important part of your life was the time that you spent with these people. That's why you're all here. Nobody does it alone Jack. You needed all of them and they needed you.”

    The flash-sideways is a sort of purgatory, where the crash survivors and other island people (Desmond) met up to assess and “move on” from the largest chapter of their life. They have all died by the time they get to the flash-sideways, but they don't know it. They're acting out their life as if the plane had landed safely … basically they've subconsciously repressed the crash and all following events (the most important parts of their lives). But Charlie gets a hint of memory of this other life and causes Desmond to remember EVERYTHING. Desmond then works to remind the rest of the survivors and they all come together to close the chapter of their old lives. The flash-sideways was their opportunity to close the chapter and move on (to Heaven; to resurrection; to a big empty void; to whatever).

    I do agree with the linked post that the writers were sloppy and left several loose ends / nonsensical threads. I agree that this could have been better. I hoped for and expected better, and will always wonder about some of the unanswered questions (raft shootout) and underdeveloped characters (Ilyana, Dogen, Eloise, Charlotte, Libby, even Widmore). I don't believe that they've always had an end in mind, and I think the slow, uneventful 6th season proves this. As rapidly as things developed in the previous 5 seasons, the 6th only served to introduce us to the flash-sideways.

    Ahh well, I've enjoyed the show for the most part and loved the discussions it caused. For a free piece of entertainment, I'm excessively pleased.

  • jake lassiter

    All the flash sideways people were already dead. They were living in a “between” (purgatory?). All that happened on the island was real. So basically the ending is that all the characters die (eventually) and they meet up at a multi-faith chapel to hug one another before “moving on.”… I think the writers took the lazy route. Say what you want about “it's about relationships and living life”, but the fact is the writers did a poor job and got lazy at the end. This wasn't just the last episode either…that goes for the entire episode of Jacob's origins as well as a couple others. It's a shame that such a good show was ended that way.

  • Marshall Harbour

    In direct response to your question, I can see why you would think that they are contradicting statements. However, upon careful examination, you'll find that they are not contradictory. Both of the statements that I made were true. However, if I were to rewrite the first statement I would say:I f a person is reconciled to God that transformational relationship will eventually reveal itself in one’s art.” Christians can definitely make music that is anti-God. To say that it is impossible for a Christian to make music that is anti-God would be to say that every Christian is inspired. This is obviously not true. The Apostle Peter himself stood condemned for refusing to eat with the Gentiles(against God's will). Gal. 2:11But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision. Peter was struggling with this issue and made a huge mistake. Though Peter was inspired when writing the Scriptures, he still could make a mistake or fall into sin as any Christian can. Also, the Scripture talks about Christ being formed within the Christian. Gal.4:19My children, with whom I am again in labor until Christ is formed in you–
    Christ is being formed within each individual Christian. And so since the character of Christ is being FORMED within the Christian, that means that Christ has not been formed in them completely. Therefore, they can still commit sin if they CHOOSE to and can certainly make mistakes. There is no neutrality with God. If something is not pro-God then it IS anti-God. Therefore, all music is either pro-God or anti-God. Matt 6:24 ” No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other You cannot serve God and wealth.”

    However, as a Christian has Christ formed in him/her more and more, their music will give more and more glory to God. But, it is always the choice of the individual Christian whether or not they will make music that gives glory to God. It's also an individual choice whether one is willing to think through what their art is saying/encouraging/actually iving glory to. 2 Cor.3:18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
    The question is are we willing to submit our will and renew our mind so that He will transform us. However, if a Christian misunderstands something or is wrong about something or is just plain lazy, a Christian can create art that is anti-God.

    One last point. Many people claim to be Christians. It's one thing to claim to be a Christian. It's another thing to have Biblical faith and obedience.

  • http://choklitblog.blogspot.com Violet

    Ok, I get what you're saying. When I read it, I understood it more as “A Christian can blatantly, continually write music that is against God with no regret.” But from your comment, I'm guessing you meant it more like when Hayley Williams, a professing Christian, wrote a song that used God's name in vain, but then she apologized for it and said that she now sings the song differently. A Christian can make a mistake or misunderstand something, and the result can be music that is anti-God.

    But there has to be some kind of boundary line, right? If someone makes a mistake, like Hayley Williams, and is apologetic and does their best to correct the mistake, it's probably safe to say that person is still a Christian. But if someone is blatantly writing music that is anti-God while professing Christianity, most people would not call them a Christian. So where's the boundary line?

    Also, this is something I've been wanting to ask someone's opinion about… what do you think of a professing Christian being featured in songs that are anti-God, even if their part of the song isn't anti-God? Would you still think they could be a true Christian, or do you think that's crossing the boundary?

    By the way, I don't ask questions like this because I feel like I need to judge someone's relationship with God. I know that's what it may sound like, but that's not it. It's because kids always look up to their favorite musicians, and if a musician claims Christianity, then some Christian kids will think whatever that musician does is acceptable behavior for a Christian. As Christian adults, I think we need to know which musicians will be good Christian role models for those kids and which ones won't so we can guide them in the right direction.

  • http://twitter.com/iambeardon IanTomlinson

    I do want to say that I'll be writing again about more thoughts, and solutions.

  • http://twitter.com/lukecarey lukecarey

    Community.

    That's what real christian music is/was

  • Andrew Schwab

    Thank you all for the great comments and posts on both Lost the Christian music question. I'll continue to post topics and look forward to hearing more from all of you!

  • Wesley Summerville

    Where the fear of failing is eclipsed by the fear of succeeding
    Where emotions a dormant nuecense now the tears are just fleeting
    Where an action and faith meeting's postponed to a later date
    Where your passion's enslaved screaming held down to a paper weight
    Cause it never left the page, never came to fruition
    Sustained in a prison, tried to switch and change to new visions
    But objects in the rear view are closer than appear
    And hindsight is 20/20 that's my focus this year
    So I'mma press rewind in hopes to hold what I left behind
    Blow the skeptic mind, be bold in what YOU said is mine
    Sometime progress is regress, I'll retrace each step
    Watch the whole thing this time before pressin' eject
    I had dreams of dreams that I could hold to your precepts
    And scold everything that I know that You reject
    A regal peace keeper who ain't got a peep of sleep yet
    Til' all your sheeps' needs met and every single street's swept
    Then I became like those other 11 rejects
    Watchin' Peter from a distance, afraid to get my feet wet
    So please lend me an ark as I begin to embark
    On dimissin' these thoughts that have me missin' the mark
    Then one day I'll step out and learn to swim with the sharks
    This is the finish of start, it's the transition of heart

  • valpo87

    I have been experimenting with poetry, and would love some comments or feedback since I'm always wanting to improve. It's still a work in progress as I add to this poem whenever I can think of a good line.

    Untitled –
    Soul becomes void
    Person turns droid
    Voiceless leader
    Brainless seeker
    Vice is serene
    Social unclean
    No rest for me
    Ill infamy
    Deaf ears tuned in
    As they still sin
    The odds stacked high
    Up to the sky
    Blackened clouds crawl
    Those below in awe
    Lightning strikes all
    Lives start to fall
    Charred, scarred, empty
    Their fates unseen

  • Pcombs

    I was recently sitting in Starbucks sipping away at my favorite (and overpriced) coffee drink. As I slowly went over my psychology notes from the previous day, I noticed a pack of matches sitting on the table next to me. You don’t see matches laying around very often, let alone in Starbucks. I walked over and picked them up and returned to my table and sat opening and closing the box. Matches are simple yet complex at the same time. A splint of wood with a chemical at the tip, that when struck against another chemically laced rough paper on the box ignites. For a brief second the chemicals burn with a fiery burst at very high temperatures. But the chemicals soon burn away, leaving a small flame on the tip of the wooden splint. If you were to sit there and hold the match, it would burn down to nothing in less than a minute, and soon burn itself out. That is, unless of course you light something with it, like a candle or maybe a campfire.

    So, I just spent an entire paragraph analyzing the anatomy and chemistry of a match…but what’s this got to do with anything? For many, it seems that they enter into Christianity like a wooden splint. They may have elements (like the chemical on the head of a match) to ignite a passion for God, but they lack the catalyst (the chemical on the box of matches.) But when they finally pursue a relationship with God, and get a small taste of what that relationship looks like, then they find their (chemical) and ignite like the head of a match. But what happens if they don’t light something else? Unfortunately for some, they burn out. They burn out on church, they burn out on a bible study or small group, and ultimately they burn out on God. Often I see people ignite like a match when they go to a summer camp or retreat, they burn with a passion for God until the camp feelings wear off, and then slowly fall back into their old lifestyles. It seems that without a spiritual community that you can grow with, that will lift you up and hold you to what it means to be a follower of Christ, that ultimately you fade away and burn out.
    John 15:4 could easily echo elements of this message, it says:

    “Remain in me and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me” –John 15:4

    No Branch can bear fruit by itself, nor can a match ignite itself. It must be ignited by a chemical reaction. Thus, you will never burn for God unless you pursue and remain in him and “get ignited”

    Adam Barnett said during a message on Colossians 3 at Life stream that “in Christ you die and become a new creation. That means you can’t take out your old life on a Saturday night and have a ‘good time.’” I try to constantly search out my life for hypocritical elements but it’s not always easy to see your own hypocrisy, and that’s why a strong spiritual community is essential. Obviously no one is perfect; we all have our areas of life that we need to work on. But if you continuously take your “old self” out on the weekends, it’s like holding a lit match in a rain storm, eventually it seems like that little match that you hold representing you passion for God…goes out. Following Christ isn’t easy, but it’s clear we truly cannot do life on our own.

    So where are you at? Are you a match waiting to find your potential and ignite? Are you a burning match that needs to ignite something bigger for the kingdom of God? Are you slowly burning down without realizing your potential? Or are you a match that’s completely burnt out, that needs to be reignited. Where ever you are in life, know this: everyone waiting to ignite, already ignited, or completely burnt out, God sees more potential in your life than you will ever realize. Pursue him.

  • http://twitter.com/FryDaddy82 Brandon Fry

    Hey Andrew, gotta say I've been a huge fan since “drawing black lines”, and your style of writing being inspiration with a huge punch of zeal has been a big influence on my writing. I want to thank you for honoring God's call and being a beacon of light to all us Christians out there who need rock but need a message just as much. You the man!

  • http://www.tommyloveland.com Tommy Loveland

    From th book Poetic Truths: Dare to enter

    As they were marching in
    I ran and hid
    Hoping they did not see me
    I could not believe my eyes
    What I had seen
    Surely they would find me
    I must escape!
    My only chance
    Is out the back door
    As I secretly moved
    The floor squeaked
    And gave me away
    Without delay
    They advanced my way
    I ran towards the door
    But it was locked
    As I twisted and pulled
    Pushing and kicking
    Yelling and screaming
    I then became numb
    When I turned my head
    And saw this infantry

    Quivering…..

    I didn't want to join
    The ranks of…. Mediocrity!

    http://www.tommyloveland.com

  • http://choklitblog.blogspot.com Violet

    This is basically an excerpt from a debate I was in recently debunking some typical beliefs about sin, hell, and salvation. It's not much as far as creative writing goes, but I thought some interesting points were brought up, so I wanted to share it. Sorry it's extremely long! Enjoy.

    HIM:
    Romans 8:28-39. I'll break it down.

    vs. 28-30 “And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the first born among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.”
    Okay fun one here. Every stage of the Christian walk is outlined here and they are all outlined in the past tense. God already justified us, meaning our right to go to heaven is set all by his effort, not our effort through repenting and confessing. It's done when we accept him into our hearts, nothing afterwards can change that. Don't believe me just go on a little more. Next 2 verses aren't vital so I'll move on.

    ME:
    The reason this is written in the past tense is because it's talking about people who have already been called, accepted Christ and therefore been justified, then died and been glorified (brought to true eternal glory in heaven with God, because they're already dead). It does outline each step of the Christian walk, but it's referring to people who have already done it. That's why it's in the past tense; not because everyone in the world has already done it. Now technically both of our views of this could be valid arguments, except that yours in disproved by 1 John 1:9 which says we must confess our sins. Mine isn't.

    HIM:
    vs. 33-35 “Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?”
    Very clear, very, very, very clear. Nothing can separate us because our justification is all in Christ. He is the one interceding, the one who “prays without ceasing”.  And notice he mention “nakedness” or in other words shame and guilt, a sin that hasn't been forgiven. Think about it.

    ME:
    This is telling us not to judge others. Basically, don't be legalistic. It's like the Pharisees making up their own laws about what you can and can't do on the Sabbath and trying to condemn others for not following them. But if you're not following God's laws, you're sinning. God justifies and condemns through the laws in His word; He doesn't justify sin and take back His word. That's not someone judging you; that's just the Bible being true. Also, Jesus does intercede for us, that's true–when we confess our sins, like 1 John 1:9 says. As for praying without ceasing, yes I'm sure He does that, but we're also instructed to do it. The verse doesn't say “Jesus prays without ceasing”, it says “[You], pray without ceasing.”
    It says that negative circumstances in our lives cannot separate us from the love of God—God always loves us, true. But it doesn't say that nothing can separate us from His presence. Check out Isaiah 59:2: “But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear.” Sin does separate you from God's presence; hell is the afterlife from those who have separated themselves from God.
    Also, it says “nakedness”, not unforgiven sin. They are not the same thing. Nakedness means having no clothes on.

    HIM:
    vs. 37-39 “No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
    Nothing, I mean NOTHING can separate us from God. And especially a sin that we haven't confessed or asked forgiveness for. Because our actions cannot transcend God's love and Christ justifying sacrifice.

    ME:
    You say nothing can separate us from God, but like I just said, these verses say that nothing can separate us from the LOVE of God. But sin separates from the PRESENCE of God. You can still go to hell even though God loves you. If your parents love you and they try to raise you right and offer guidance, but you refuse and run away to join the circus, you probably won't have a perfect life because you chose the wrong path. Your parents still love you, but it's ultimately your decision. God is our heavenly Father and he wants to raise us right, but sometimes we don't listen and we will reap the consequences. We can repent and come back home if we chose, but until then, we're on our own.
    Also, “Christ's justifying sacrifice”… His sacrifice wasn't to justify sin. It was to justify us, as in make us Christlike when we confess our sins like we're instructed to do in 1 John.

    Since you've brought up Romans 8, I'd like to talk about the beginning of the chapter.

    v. 1-4
    “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.”

    Most people look at this and say “Those who are in Christ Jesus are those who prayed and accepted Jesus once and now wear the title Christian. They can never be condemned to hell.” The problem comes when you try to use your own definition of “those who are in Christ Jesus”.
    People also tend to say “Jesus set us free from the law. That means we can do whatever we want.” Jesus set us free from the law of sin and death, where if you sin you are immediately killed. Instead, He died for us so we can repent of our sins and keep living.
    My favorite part of this is “And so He condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.” God gives those of us who live according to the Spirit (aka those of us who are in Christ Jesus) the strength to refrain from sinning. So, according to this, to be “in Christ Jesus”, the righteous requirements of the law must be met in us.

    v. 5-11
    “Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God. You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.”

    The mind controlled by the Spirit, aka the mind of those who are in Christ Jesus, aka the mind of those who meet the requirements of God's law, have their minds set on what God wants. Everyone else is thinking about what they want. The former will inherit eternal life; the latter will inherit eternal damnation. The former can please God; the latter cannot. When we don't follow God's laws, we don't please Him, and if we die not pleasing Him, we die separated from Him, and we go to hell.
    “You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you.” If the Spirit of God lives in you, you will deny the sinful nature and follow God's laws. There it is again. Those who are in Christ Jesus follow God's laws.

    v. 12-14
    “Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation—but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.”

    We're obligated, as believers, to deny the sinful nature and follow God's laws. Why? Because that's how God can live in us, and therefore give us eternal live. Does that mean we have to be perfect or we go to hell? No, 1 John 1:9 tells us what we can do if we don't follow God's commands and therefore separate ourselves from Him. “IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins AND TO CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.” We confess, He forgives, and He cleanses. He takes the sin away “in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit” (part of Romans 8:4) and when we're free of sin He comes to live in us so we can have eternal life. That's salvation. Salvation isn't saying a little prayer and then doing whatever you want. That's laziness.

  • http://www.tommyloveland.com TOMMY LOVELAND

    INSIDE FIGHT

    So why
    Inside
    I cry
    To see
    A day
    Away
    Of empty
    Dreams
    To push
    To shove
    To be complete
    A step away
    From underneath
    The shadows
    Of these hidden beast
    Seeking control
    My lonely me
    Oh save me today
    From the hollow machines
    And all that is false
    What lies beneath

  • http://www.tommyloveland.com Tommy Loveland

    The War Inside

    Do you believe?
    In the war inside
    This hidden war
    Hidden from our eyes
    I see the evidence
    In the life
    Of mankind
    This machine
    The machine of death
    Growing in time
    Sprouting this evil
    Leading the blind
    Destiny smiled
    And I smiled back
    When I saw
    The soldiers of souls
    In the highest place
    When I found a trail
    A trail of blood
    That led to grace
    I tried to tell the world
    About this loving face
    But all they wanted
    Was satisfaction
    To fulfill the chase
    In pleasing the flesh

    Blind! Blind! Blind!
    You fools are mine

    Said the death machine!

  • http://www.tommyloveland.com Tommy Loveland

    SLEEPWALKING

    Never ending
    These eyes are sending
    Love replacing
    Me! Me! Me!
    Feeling empty
    Lies unending
    This foggy haze
    A promised escape
    So hard to see
    Now I’m complete
    Only when I’m blind
    Never mind
    I’m just here glimmering
    Wondering
    Why you’re here
    A song for me
    To dance with you
    To let go
    Let go of all
    All that I hold
    That’s worth nothing
    Now I’m shimmering
    Now I’m true
    Only inside you
    Can I see
    See the daylight
    Breathing in me
    Becoming new
    Going back through
    The birth canal
    The obvious fact
    That I’m real
    That I’m alive
    And terrified
    Is this a dream?
    Can’t be
    Cause I heard the screams
    And I feel the pain
    Inside this bleeding
    Of my soul
    Longing freedom
    Pleading!
    Pleading!
    Pleading!
    That I travel wisely

    I MUST WAKE THE OTHERS

    http://www.tommyloveland.com

  • http://www.tommyloveland.com Tommy Loveland

    THE NEW EMPIRE

    The reconstruction is in process
    Of the new design
    By the GREAT ARCHITECT
    Hidden from our eyes
    While we’re still here burning
    Dwelling in pain
    Retribution is on its way
    To slay its victims
    Unless you are protected
    By the truth
    The truth inside
    Inside this vessel
    This vessel of wrath
    Surrounded by the truthless
    A day is coming
    The truthless can’t stop
    We’ll enter the new
    And justice will take the rest

    http://www.tommyloveland.com

  • Wesley.

    Insatiable Libidos will Reap Coals 33 fold.

    Ghost in a shell loosed, Smoked in a fell swoop
    Every step toward you's One closer to hell, true?
    Failed youth to accomplished gray haired… lay impared due
    The bare truth, They gave no care to when they stared you
    A rare truce is one a man forms with his soul
    To deny his impulse so he can keep what he holds
    And I've been leaving the fold, every week and a toll
    Plus a heaping of coals has been reaped on my soul
    A breach in the hull from the symphony of sirens
    Kill my ears and sanity but the man in me vys them
    I'm lulled away from the dullest day by these forces
    Into your hips by safe passage of Trojan horses
    No boredom of courtship, I teach an inner course
    On how limbs contort, my inner whore says sin is Lord
    My flesh's been ignored and it's back with a vengeance
    And insists being paid restitution, plus interest
    How could I resist? I hang on her every sentence
    And climb to the source of them, lay sacrifice of incense
    And innocence given in a kiss, this is bliss
    But when finished I wanna slit my wrists, this is sick
    I'm trapped in her walls when I'm trapped in her walls
    I lapse in enthrallment give pass to His call
    But I hear the slight echo, beckoning me to let go
    By then the voice to faint to follow.. so I just don't
    So I'm lost here, Trying to recognize the sound of You
    I drowned out so long in attempts to be unfound by truth
    But I still hear the sirens, they're growing in numbers
    No longer singing to lull, No, they sing of my blunders

  • ButNeverDestroyed

    Despite disagreeing with the general flavor of Rice's statement, I think that she potentially has made a very healthy decision in dividing herself from what she feels is a misrepresentation of Christ's message.

    The problem, or course, is that by declining to subscribe to all the movements of the Christian body and to say that she is simply 'with Christ' may open her to all the temptations and trickery the Enemy's tempters (See 'The Screwtape Letters') have in their seasoned arsenal.

    First, her statement implies that she no longer wishes to share the company of the bigoted, ignorant, archaic masses that is, in her mind's eye, the body of Christ. As we have been instructed by the scripture, it is unhealthy to our spiritual journey to not have the company of other Christians.

    The separation also allows for her to very easily step outside of the responsibilities of a soul engaged to Christ. She may slowly begin to bend the interpretation of Christ and what he stood for, until she finds herself in league with an artificial god which 'faintly resembles Jesus'. She may then live her life without the necessary convictions that keep us returning to Jesus for his forgiveness.

    On the other hand, if Rice is wise and has a strong spirit, the time away from the Christian body may be God's way of making her truly his own, and molding her according to his will, and not according the Church's interpretation of his will. Perhaps God saw it necessary to take her into the wilderness where she could actually hear him speak.

  • http://www.themusingsofanamericanincanada.blogspot.com/ Joshua

    RE: Anne Rice quits Christianity.

    I understand her frustration. But I think it's important to be (non-relativistically) truthful about which of her statements even comport with Christianity. Is Christianity anti-gay, or is it anti-sin? And should somebody (attempt to) disown the church over peripheral issues? Should we neglect that which we are called to because we don't like the other adherents to the system? All people groups are perfectly capable of being some real asses, this is for sure. But does disown-ment help or hurt the situation? I have many, many friends who claim a love for Christ but refuse to be a member of the visible church. Does this hurt or help the situation? If Christ's blood was shed for you and you have been grafted into the vine of God's children, then you are a member of Christ's invisible church regardless of whether or not you like the other members. It is true that when ANY large group of individually minded people are brought together for one purpose, differing opinions will emerge. I submit that the solution is not to leave the group, but to remain faithful, to be a voice of reason and an example of the love and acceptance you claim to possess. Nothing irks me more in these post-modern days than a Christian who claims to love everybody but Christians. Solidarity is not reached when a factions leave under the pretense of solidarity with the world.

    If you accept Christ as your savior and God as your Father, you accept his children as your family. There is no separation, no matter how hard you try. A rejection of God's family is a rejection of the institution of Christ's invisible church. I can think of little that is more damaging to ourselves, our faith, and our effectiveness to influence culture.

    Anne Rice, or any Christian, leaving the visible church over attitudes, I believe needs a new attitude.

    Just the thoughts that popped out of my head when you asked.

    Josh

  • Wesley.

    I understand Annes frustrations and even the route she's taking. It's the same frustration that breeds autonomy within Christianity, which never really works out. You see it all the time. People seperate themselves from the Church, find their own “personal, relevant Jesus” and it usually only leads to confusion and inactiveness. When there is no discipleship or structure or fellowship there is no body. Which means no proper functioning, etc…and the rest is apathy.

    It is interesting though, how we are willing to partake in Jesus' sufferings and discipline but not his embarrassment. Yes, It is embarrasing to belong to a group of hypocritical, blindsided bigots. But we forget that they(and we) are HIS hypocritical blindsided bigots :-) . And if he can bare with us individually, then we should be able to bare with one another.

    How can we even change what's wrong with the church from the outside looking in? Martin Luther never even wanted to create a seperatist movement apart from Catholisism. He wanted to reform and change things from the INSIDE. Jesus came to Jews, did everything in ordinance with Jewish laws and customs and fulfilled all from the INSIDE(and their system was so crooked and misinterpreted it wasn't funny). And even further God saw it fit to have to get into HUMAN skin to fix a human problem. Anne should be in the pew every sunday showing anti-dems, anti-fems, anti-lovers, anti-logic chirstians how it SHOULD be done. Not seperating herself.

    It's funny we can extend this “I become all things to all men so that I may win them” type of grace to sinners and the world at large but when it comes to those who already “have truth” we have none for them. As if we should cease to be messed up.

    Bump that logic. I belong to an imperfect body of believers and I'll gladly commune with them and call them brothers any day – even if they are hateful, prideful, racist, shady wretches. It's like alot of christians are standing outside of the church with picket signs and complaints, etc… And that may be needed, but I'd rather go in and love people.

  • NicktheMayor

    I find myself in partial agreement with Rice's comments. In my feeble lowly mind there was never meant to be a separation of The Church. It is the separation, finger pointing, one upmanship, and in some cases total disdain between churches that has kept me for the most part removed from the system. I think the way she relates being Christian as being part of a flawed church system is wrong. Excuse my ignorance if I am wrong but I have always felt being Christian is about being a believer, student, and follower of Jesus Christ and his teachings. The structures we build to follow Him can contain great unified worship. Unfortunately they can also contain and spread ideaology and judgment against other “rival” churches. After moving a few times recently I have not found the right church yet in my local area, but continue to be a member of His Church. I hope this still allows me to be considered a Christian.

  • http://www.facebook.com/amnbarrettcd Chris Barrett

    At last, there's some inelligent conversations! I have read a few of the comments and made sure to take a complete look at Anne Rice's message. I am and will continue to be a faithful member of the local fellowship of believers. I'm not planning on staging a church coup or anything, but I agree with her in principle. Here are some other things to think about: What does the term Christian mean? The very first followers of Christ were not actually called Christians. Christian which translates from the original language as “little Christ,” was used early on in the church and was sometimes a derisive term even then. Now it is equated with the things that Ms. Rice mentions as being negative aspects of Christianity. She is rejecting Christianity and man's ideals not Jesus Christ. Many churches today are focused on the very legalism that Jesus preached against vehemently. We are encouraged to hate the things of this world, but that does not include God's creation. The church needs to be awakened to the fact that people are imperfect and need love and encouragement to grow as believers. It is important to have fellow believers who can and will support you, however I don't think that it translates into a requirement for church membership and I also think that followers of Christ should be able to share their beliefs without the implications associated with labels such as Christianity.

  • Filigirl

    I really appreciate this comment, it's full and succinct, and exactly how I feel. Thank you.

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